clutch quesion!

[codysisk13]

when you pull in the clutch does the fiber discs and steel plates seperate? and then when you let go of the clutch the fiber discs come in contact with the steel in return turns the wheels allowing power to the ground. correct???

 

[duneracerweston]

Correct.

 

[bones]

x2!

 

[codysisk13]

alright, i think my steel plates, and fiber discs are stuck that is why it wont disengage!

 

[duneracerweston]

Dis assemble it and re assemble it that should fix it

 

[Gen1Pat]

Take the steels and rub them in a circular motion on a flat concrete floor for 10secs or so, to scuff em up. It helps to remove any glazing or stuck on oil residue.

 

[Rhyno]

alright, i think my steel plates, and fiber discs are stuck that is why it wont disengage!

Here's my guess....


No, the pressure plate bolts are, probably, bottomed out and not giving you any room to have the plates separate. Try to bottom the bolts out, and then back them out one turn. Now, the plates will have room for disengagement/ separation.

-Rhyno

On edit: Meant to say the Springs are probably bottomed out......

 

[Rhyno]

Can a Moderator combine all of these different threads by the OP?

They all are trying to accomplish the same thing......

 

[MidwayUSA]

Here's my guess....


No, the pressure plate bolts are, probably, bottomed out and not giving you any room to have the plates separate. Try to bottom the bolts out, and then back them out one turn. Now, the plates will have room for disengagement/ separation.

-Rhyno

I guarantee if you do this the bolts will come loose and destroy things. The bolts are supposed to torque up tight against the tip of the boss they bolt to.

 

[Rhyno]

I guarantee if you do this the bolts will come loose and destroy things. The bolts are supposed to torque up tight against the tip of the boss they bolt to.

After I had my clutch apart, I reassembled using an inch pound torque wrench, and the springs were bottomed out. And that was at the spec of 7.2 ft lbs. There was absolutely zero room for movement to release the pressure on the plates.

I backed it out 1 turn out from full spring collapse, and guessed that would suffice. The bolts are always under spring tension and I also put LockTite on the threads, so hopefully they won't back out and turn into a TrainWreck.

I have put about 10 hours on it, since the tear down, and it works great. (Rocky desert/ Mesquite laden trails with hills. it never/rarely makes it to 3rd gear, lots of clutchin') I had the clutch apart, to try the "Add one steel" trick. It didn't work for me, maybe it will when the fibers wear down more.

The clutch that is in it, is a "Tusk" clutch, that the previous owner installed. It also has yellow colored springs. All of the Fibers measured within spec. In fact they all were at the "Fat side" of the tolerance. (Measured with Mitutoyo dial calipers)

And after all of that, there was very little adjustment that had to happen at the cable bracket at the top of the side cover.

Like a lot of things, time will tell......

Thanks for sharing your advice, though.

-Rhyno

Maybe there is something that I am missing........

 

[codysisk13]

well i figured out what it was, it was the fiber and steel plates stuck together. Rode an hour after i freed them up and the clutch just went out. But i had already ordered a new clutch prior to that so im good there. The clutch is the tusk one also i have ordered off ebay so im sure it will do just fine. thanks for the comments you guys!

 

[MidwayUSA]

Maybe there is something that I am missing........

Something is not right. Those bolts are suppose to be tight against that bearing plate and all the way against the aluminum standoffs. I hope it lives because it is not designed to work that way. Probably too thick of a plate you put in there. There are different thickness of steels.

 

[jasonp]

Something is not right. Those bolts are suppose to be tight against that bearing plate and all the way against the aluminum standoffs. I hope it lives because it is not designed to work that way. Probably too thick of a plate you put in there. There are different thickness of steels.

Midway is correct.

 

[Rhyno]

Something is not right. Those bolts are suppose to be tight against that bearing plate and all the way against the aluminum standoffs. I hope it lives because it is not designed to work that way. Probably too thick of a plate you put in there. There are different thickness of steels.

After reassembling, on my first attempt at using the extra steel, I put the extra steel in, and tightened the pressure plate bolts to spec and put the cover back on and readjusted the cable. The clutch would not disengage at all. The steel that I added was .083" or .087", (I can't remember which)

I tore the cover back off and saw that the springs were totally collapsed. That's when I realized that the steel that I added was too much, and the plates were not separating.

So after doing some math, I subtracted my fattest fiber and added a thin fiber and a fat steel. The new combo turned out to be .007" thicker than where I started, meaning my fattest fiber. (This has got to work, right?)

Reassembled, and it slipped horribly! I couldn't even move 5 feet.

I tore it back apart, removed everything that was added and put back in the original fiber. Tightened down the pressure plate bolts, checked the springs and they were bottomed out. On a guess, I backed them out 1 complete revolution creating some room for the basket to release. I also used some LockTite on the bolts.

I didn't measure the thread pitch on those bolts. What are they, 6mm x .75mm, or x 1mm, x 1.25? One revolution created that much clearance, whatever it is.....

The clutch engages great, doesn't slip and feels like it did prior to messin' around with it.

Hopefully it won't turn into a TrainWreck......

Time will tell, though.....

-Rhyno


On Edit: All of the fingers, on the baskets were perfectly smooth. Couldn't catch a finger nail on anything.

 

[MidwayUSA]

It will be a train wreck. If the springs are bottoming out then there is something seriously wrong. I will not argue with you on the matter. Something is not set up right and if you continue to run it you will ruin it. You can explain what you did til you are blue in the face, but it is not correct. What is worse, was you trying to tell a member on here to do that as though it was standard procedure.

 

[duneracerweston]

im with midway and jasonp, something is wrong in there. the springs should never bottom not even if you run all thick plates and a extra will mine compress the springs that far...

 

[Gen1Pat]

Ditto. ^

 

[Rhyno]

It will..................What is worse, was you trying to tell a member on here to do that as though it was standard procedure.

Here's my guess....


No, the pressure plate bolts are, probably, bottomed out and not giving you any room to have the plates separate. Try to bottom the bolts out, and then back them out one turn. Now, the plates will have room for disengagement/ separation.

-Rhyno

On edit: Meant to say the Springs are probably bottomed out......

Like it starts out and says.....Here's my guess

Later, he also found out that the plates were stuck together, which is a symptom of what I described.

Relax, dude!

And where was your advice?

 

[Rhyno]

It will be a train wreck. If the springs are bottoming out then there is something seriously wrong. I will not argue with you on the matter. Something is not set up right and if you continue to run it you will ruin it. You can explain what you did til you are blue in the face, but it is not correct. What is worse, was you trying to tell a member on here to do that as though it was standard procedure.

If there isn't a rotational load or side load, on those small pressure plate bolts, and there is Red LockTite, and there is spring tension on the threads, How are they going to come out or break?

LockTite failure?

Red LockTite takes more than 7.2 FtLbs to break loose.

I'd love to hear you give me an explanation, other than what you have already said.

-Rhyno

 

[MidwayUSA]

Whatever man, run it. It isn't right but you won't listen so good luck to you.