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i wouldn't waist my money or time. just get a 450. not only will it not be as fast as a 450, it will also be a lot less reliable boring it out that big!!!!

Reliability is not an issue with that big of a bore on the warriors. You bore the jug and use a larger sleeve so the walls are STILL very meaty. The warrior motor itself is chock full of extra metal - the amount you can machine off to allow such a large stroke/bore to be put in keeps it in with in very safe limits.

You actually have a thinner cylinder wall with the 365cc bore kits then you do with the 400+ strokers... Also IMO the strokers use a slipper style piston and they ARE lighter then stock! The only thing you have to watch with stroker motors is piston speed (measured in FPM).
 
In short it won't rev quite as quickly and it would only rev to around just above 9000 rpms (honda's 450 limits before this years upgrade ;D). Basically the massive stroker kits would be for a major torque monster in the woods. People used to say that 490cc kit from FST used to be a monster back in the day, that kit would of been tits for the deep woods!!! The only mod you would really have to do for a large nos shot would be a race cam and a beefy aftermarket connecting rod (hence the hotrods kit). Death is right on the money about the front end staying down, the warrior and banshee have a strongly balanced weight to the front.
 
Piston speed???? basically you mean dont rev the **** out of the thing right ?
 
You can't necessarily say that a big bore/stroker is reliable or not, it depends on how well it's installed, maintained, and rode. It's inevitably going to run hotter than normal, and even with an oil cooler it might still run too hot, which results in excessive wear. It might be fine for you, but you're taking a risk.

Instead of taking a risk, you can buy a machine that performs better in every category, not just power, and will be more reliable because all of the machine's components are designed to handle the amount of power it puts out, and dissipate all the heat it creates.
 
You can't necessarily say that a big bore/stroker is reliable or not, it depends on how well it's installed, maintained, and rode. It's inevitably going to run hotter than normal, and even with an oil cooler it might still run too hot, which results in excessive wear. It might be fine for you, but you're taking a risk.

Instead of taking a risk, you can buy a machine that performs better in every category, not just power, and will be more reliable because all of the machine's components are designed to handle the amount of power it puts out, and dissipate all the heat it creates.
exactly
 
The warrior motor was actually originally designed to be MUCH larger then a 350 IMO... It can handle the stroker kit WITH OUT A PROBLEM. But just like any machine its up to the owner for it to be reliable. A YFZ450 or any new 450 is going to be LESS reliable then a 440 stroker Warrior. The warrior motor is bullet proof - the 450s are VERY high maintenance and wear out MUCH MUCH quicker. The stroker warrior motors in my opinnion longevity wise are still more reliable and will need to be rebuilt LESS frequently then a high performance 450 motor.

I probably had one of the sickest hooked up Warriors EVER made and I loved that thing. It was reliable as hell and handled better then my YFZ in the trim its in now. I would of kept it if I could of (I didnt get rid of it to buy the YFZ) and purchased a YFZ as well.

If you know dick about the motor in the 350 you will understand what it actually can handle fine - lets not forget they had 500 kits in these things as well... If you idle with a warrior motor it will over heat, if you idle with a YFZ it will over heat... If your riding hard as **** through trails on a hot day with a warrior it will over heat. If your riding with a YFZ on a hot as hell day through trails - YOU GUESSED IT! It will over heat... But wait the YFZ motor was designed for that right?

YFZ450 Maintenance:

- Check/Adjust valves every 15 hours
- Drop oil every 1-2 rides (running synthetic)
- Rebuild top end every 150 hours (or 30 race hours)
- Check cam chain and replace frequently
- etc...

You wont have to be nearly as tedious with a stroker warrior...
 
imo save up for a 450 or something more race oriented, youll get something youll like and its well worth it, hell i went from a beater warrior to a full on mx racer, cant beat that!
 
The complexity issue is another problem, I would rather work on a broke down warrior than a newer liquid cooled machine that happened to break down. I had the motor completely torn down in less than two hours the first time I did so. You could rebuild a warrior if a bore isn't required while at a campsite in the boonies no problem. As for frame issues I doubt if the frame will bend under nos, I drilled a tree with the front right arm hard enough to break my wrist on impact, barely a tweak in the frame. It only had a slight twist, but I replaced it anyway since I was too lazy to just straighten it. Suzuki has taken the lead for bent frames on the older z400's, there isn't much room left for error here... ;D The metallic paint was better on the 02' frames anyway. Basically you want to stick to any machine you really like, that's what it comes down to. I kept my warrior just because I like the buggy look. I might just upgrade the plastics to the newer maier ones though, but I would have to find a way to fit them on the IMS tank. My plastics have gotten there ass kicked, and there is only a limited number of times you can resand them.

As for nos you can squeeze 10 seconds on 0.8lbs doing a 100hp shot, so basically us on a quad doing just a 10hp shot will give us 100 seconds on 0.8lbs of nos. That means you will get about 300 seconds of boosting on the 2.5lb tank they supply in the kits. I don't know about anyone else but it doesn't take me long to top out on just motor, that means you'll get a **** ton of drag races in on one tank. Starting in second will give you one hell of a launch, and you'll start to boost right in third or fourth gear. With nos you'll rev up much quicker in those high gears, and have a insane amount of torque added. You'll be able to at least go up hills another gear higher or two while boosting. Even on the boondockers video you'll see the banshees doing over 70 mph clocked up steep ass sand dunes, and the liquid kits hit much harder and give a much stronger boost than the foggers. The best part of nos is it costs less than 10 bucks to fill the tank and you'll have a whole trip of drag races complete on one or two tanks. As for reliability under boost, you just have to watch the clutch and basically keep her lubed with synthetic, you'll also want to run a moderate compression piston (the break down of nos is dependent on compression) and a race cam (keeps cylinder pressure a bit more comfy). As for bore keep it near stock or a moderate stroker kit with the connecting rod. As for fuel requirements you'll need to plumb a separate line or use a duel petcock, the stocker won't supply that much fuel. For a setup as mentioned you'll run premium gas with octane booster on a D9EA plug, the extra octane only needs to be there for boosting though. Nos needs a little extra usually to prevent any detonation. Octane requirements are strictly based on cylinder pressures though, if your above 190psi you'll need race fuel. A 10.25, 10.5, or 10.75 to one piston will land you right in between more than likely, and the race cam makes the 10.75 require a little less octane, landing you at about 98 octane on stock ignition timing. As for overheating on nos it is highly doubted, the nos adds a strong cooling effect just like expanding liquid nitrogen, giving you even more hp with the same heat output as the basic motor running. Not too many people realize that since more power usually means more heat, but not in this case.
 
So for the $5-$800 or so it costs to have nitrous youl be running less than a banshee is stock??? WHY? I have a friend that just got a stroker kit from powroll. he paid around 2k for his warrior and around the same for the stroker kit after all the bells/ whistles . He told me he was gonna spank me in a drag on my piped jetted pretty much stock other than that 96 banshee. Not even a race. I left in second gear almost wheelied over (on pavement) and never saw him again. beat him by 6 or so. I understand elec start and reverse but why not buy a faster quad??? If you want to go real fast buy a faster quad its simple! I looked into all the hype , big bores , nitrous , the works . It wasnt cost effective. Why take a dinosaur and try to turn it into a cheetah?? I firmly believe he even would have lost badly if he had nitrous too! save your pennies buy a newer 4 stoker or older 2 stroker youl soon forget the warrior. I sure did. One ride on a banshee (which pretty much handles like a super fast warrior) I was done with the warrior for ever!!
 
So for the $5-$800 or so it costs to have nitrous youl be running less than a banshee is stock??? WHY? I have a friend that just got a stroker kit from powroll. he paid around 2k for his warrior and around the same for the stroker kit after all the bells/ whistles . He told me he was gonna spank me in a drag on my piped jetted pretty much stock other than that 96 banshee. Not even a race. I left in second gear almost wheelied over (on pavement) and never saw him again. beat him by 6 or so. I understand elec start and reverse but why not buy a faster quad??? If you want to go real fast buy a faster quad its simple! I looked into all the hype , big bores , nitrous , the works . It wasnt cost effective. Why take a dinosaur and try to turn it into a cheetah?? I firmly believe he even would have lost badly if he had nitrous too! save your pennies buy a newer 4 stoker or older 2 stroker youl soon forget the warrior. I sure did. One ride on a banshee (which pretty much handles like a super fast warrior) I was done with the warrior for ever!!

Its all about opinion...I love my warrior. and I could give 2 ***** about drag racing...but thats me.
 
Less than a banshee stock??? They only have 30hp or so stock, with just a 10hp shot I'll be running about 40 to 50hp. The stroker kits don't produce much hp, rather much more torque. The reason you beat the hell out of him is probably due to the fact that the strokers can't rev for ****. I don't know if you even realize it, but a pipe and filter kit on a banshee adds a huge amount of hp as opposed to a four stroke. Your buddy on the other hand is only running in the mid 30's hp. I spent the money on my warrior simply because I like it, not because I was trying to make it the fastest quad on the planet, it will give you much more trouble than your buddy's did though!!! ;D ;D ;D I don't know if you paid any attention to what the nitrous kits can do, but they come with jets for up to a 25hp shot. I've never seen a banshee come stock and put out over 50hp. In a couple years people will ask you why you continue to mod your banshee just like us with warriors... Just because there's newer and faster doesn't mean you should give up the quad you like.
 
I hear ya Im just pleading the case most like the warrior because thats what they have or have ridden. It just makes no sense to me to take a $2000 dollar quad and dump the same amount into it to make it as fast as a different stock quad that you could have bought for half the price! I was that guy, I got a warrior and immediately wanted it faster longer wider and better looking. After a few months I gave up. It just wont be fast enough. I ride mostly fast sweeping trails with the occasional dune trip so it was either gonna be a 250r or a banshee no questions. When I got this banshee I rode it once and didnt want it any faster. Hell it barely hooks up now without expert clutch operation. (stock tires suck). You may give me a run for my money but what if you lost ? Wouldnt you feel ****** that you spent all that money to get beat by a pretty much stock quad? My whole point is If you want a race quad or a mx quad or a drag quad at least buy one that has excelled in that area. In other words dont buy a chevette and expect to win the INDY 500 with it No matter what you do to it or how much you like it
 
Banshees run 38 or so stock add pipes your up close to 50
 
Thats the point of customizing anything and being original....A lot of people think of the warrior as junk. Put some money into it and they are thinking what the **** just happened here.
 
I am all for the custom original thing but this post was about making a raptor 350 keep up with a yfz 450 Thats like buying the cobalt and tricking it out to hang with the c6 vette, sure it can be done but why why why!
 
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